We went to town and got some body glide today, and I will try it tomorrow on our day hike with loaded packs. Hope it works. I asked a couple stores about trail runners and no one had them in size 6 or 6.5 so I tried on a pair of Keen low cut hikers in a 7 just to see if I might like them but had no intention of buying them in a 7. If I need new hikers I may have to order online to get my size and then just send them back if I don't like them. It seems like the best way to go anyway since I always feel pressured in a shoe store and have left with a pair of shoes many times in the past that I ended up being unhappy with later. Thanks again for all your help everyone. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />