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Its a royal pain writing explicit detailed posts and I know it annoys some people.

My pet peeve on the Net is vaguely stated questions .... and answers.

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Our society is under a lot of pressure by people selling fear. I am not selling fear

I doubt anyone on this thread is "selling fear." I do think that SAR pros and experts in general are trying to help newbies stay out of trouble by scaring the heck out of them .... inadvertently.

It's an extreme attitude. A paternalistic attitude. And IMO, a harmful attitude.

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JD, as for spelling Rainear - we have a lot of creative ways pf spelling in Oregon... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> however everybody knows what I meant to say.

Oh Jim ya went and dun it agin! It's Orygun. Everyone knows that!

Peace,

Richard.