Do a search. phat made a post titled "so where the heck do you find wide trail runners" or something like that in "Lite Gear Talk". It was less than a year ago, so set your search to more than a week, and put trail shoes in the subject and phat in the poster spot. There were some pretty good suggestions made. I'd link to it, but for some reason, this forum has the same html no matter the page. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />