Thanks for your response Jasonlivy. I was hoping you would come forward and answer. I'm glad to see MSR is still around the good ol' US of A. I have already placed my order for the Hyperflow and can't wait for it. I found it a bit pricey but for an american made product I'm willing to pay more. Actually I have used REI's 20% off coupon and that helped a lot. Kudos to MSR!