Berserker

quote not from you:
"allowed the former Tolleson High School teacher the opportunity to vividly and emotionally tell for the first time in public what happened on the trailhead the day he shot Kuenzli three times in the chest."
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You can't expect to shoot someone 3 times and claim self defense, not in California anyway. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> If you shoot more than once, you better have a convincing story. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Interesting that the new law shifts the proof of using deadly force to the state for self defense. Um - I sort of thought you were innocent until proven guilty - oops that was before """WE""" decided to toss out the Constitution as an unreasonable barrier to "national security". <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

My thought about the above case is - what about the dogs? Why didn't the dogs get to him before the "victim" was within "stiking range"? Did he shoot the guys dogs? Is that why the guy ran at him screaming? Moral - keep your dog on a leash becasue someone might not like Fido bighting them and may feel the moral right to "kill in self defense" even to the point of reloading. And the other moral - find another way to deal with dogs on trails besides shooting them with lead. Maybe a bunch of you guys with guns should have mace instead.

The scariest things I have read in this thread is the message that some people :
1) feel the need to kill in self defense [not wound]
2) have the feeling that if it might be legal to kill someone that its OK.

um what happened to though shalt not kill?
If someone feels the need to kill someone in self defense, they will create a situation where they need to defend themselves.
Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

P.S. After due consideration I think I would be rather be unarmed [except with my dull assalt scissors] while hiking in public wilderness with a variety of users.

PPS. The crazy unarmed users have just as much right to be there as said solid citizen carryng a gun. Maybe if Fish wasn't packing he wouldn't have shot the guys dogs and his arrogance about having a "right to shoot" somebody wouldn't have landed him prison and shattered 2 families. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />