Thank you Jason. I have had two Thermorests, and two different MSR stoves over the last 20 odd years, it seems to work.:) No, you aren't arrogant, tell us what you know, I forgot we had someone here from the corp. I need to send in my Internationale for some pro touches, messed with the legs and has a miss, a good cleaning again should fix that. Thanks for the inside scoop. Take care.