I totally agree Glenn; too much focus on the gear and not the trip or destination, before, during and after <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> kind of ruins the trip for me. I don't want to worry about the uber $$ gear, I want to know what plant that is <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> What type of rock I'm standing on <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />What trees are around me while I'm hiking an area <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> and what type of clouds those are floating by while I'm lying back enjoying the view <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />