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You are being challenged by the group to put up or shut up - no offense intended, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> but we all have experimented with these and we have real gas stoves etc and you claim to get pressurized white gas performance from your stove. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />Prove it, we don't believe you. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Saying "oh I have a bunch of them and some really rock" is not the kind of complete description of stove and test that lends credability to your arguement. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Again - no offense intended, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> just realise that this group is constantly assailed by people with claims that do not seem to meet the general consensus of reality. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I would love to believe you by the way. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I believe in santa and the easter bunny too, oh and the tooth fairy. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

As for altitude as a variable, the boiling point may be a tad lower, but the amount of oxygen for the stove is lowered as well. There is probably a net loss as you gain altitude - just surmising.

In most of the magazines with "normal stoves" one liter of 70 degree water boiled out of the wind to a rolling boil.

When the boiling point is reached is not subjective at all. It is boiling or not, but some of it may be hot enough to "boil" but untill the entire mass is "boiling" there will not be a "rolling boil" but when the entire mass is boiling the entire energy input at the bottom will be released at the top thus a "rolling boil". If you lift the lid to see if its boiling, it will take longer, but i you wait until the lid just lifts with steam, you hit the point within within ten seconds.

One problem is that the users of pop stoves do not boil liters of water, thus the standard needs change and as far as I know - no one has been able to establish universal guidelines for pop stove testing.
This is why the exact method of test must be described. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Thank you for reading this far.
Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />