I don't know where these stoves are coming from because I have a number of those stoves all of which will out do the stoves and boil times described here. I looked at some of the pictures and I have seen some of these stoves around but the prior results that I have seen are much different than the results that I am seeing here.
Not to mention that I have, Oh, I will guess and say that I have around 20-30 of these stoves and the worst one will out perform any of the stoves you see tested here. I used colder water (50 degree), same amount (4 cups) and have achieved boil times as quickly as 3-4 minutes. In most cases I could get two boils out of each burn and most of my stoves will roll boil 4 cups of water in around 6-7 minutes....Hopes this helps...Happy Trekking...sabre11004

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