Geez tom, the newbie isn't supposed to be the one who has to be the pack contents gestapo (I always take my jackboots in the car when hiking with others but then leave them after wearing them for pack inspection <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )

Of course, I suppose by next time he won't be a newbie.

Congrats on making what sounds like some very sane decisions on a difficult hike and still enjoying
it Imager. Allow me to add my "way too" for sticking with your shagged out friend. Suggest you try
a few trips with different leadership - like maybe your own.