rant on: unless you have a clear visual of where you are going, using map and compass requires staying found. Yes I've written many times about map and compass being naval navigation with full time navigators to keep a ship found. I often head out going cross country and I set a waypoint on my gps where I park. My gps always knows where my truck is. Try being lost on a tree covered mountain side, pull out a map and compass and I defy you to find your location or your vehicle unless you are the road in and out of the area. When you're seriously lost of just turned around, a map cannot help you. Jim