I was talking about his pack weight. For a sleeping mat we bought a wally world pool mat, his sleeping bag is a target special his tent is a little dome tent. He's 9 and will be 10 next month and will be going into boy scouts soon. When he does he'll be expected to carry his own pack. Momma packed his clothes for him and I repacked it and took out more then half of what she put in there. His lantern is a little 3AAA type lantern. Other then that he has his fishing gear 1st aid kit, and a water bottle and that was pushing 20lbs. His tent on this last trip was actually his bigger one for car camping. We're not long distance hikers so for now I limit him to 1 to 2 miles without a pack for day hikes and the quarter mile was his first trip with a pack. I know, slacker dad. I gotta get him out in the woods more for sure.