Right. The main use for this tent is sleeping at a trailhead, something that I can throw in the car wet with condensation in the morning rather than waiting for it to dry out and then carefully pack up for my backpack trip. I'd also possibly use it when carcamping with groups, where I want to be courteous and minimize my footprint to leave space for other tents.

BTW Glen thanks for the Big Agnes suggestions. I looked at them and like the minimal vestibules, but the highly sloping sidewalls turn me off.

The more I think about this, the more I lean towards the Marmot Limelight 2p or 3p, even though it has the vestibules. It just seems simple, well designed, and at the current sale price of under $200 something I don't have to be too careful with.