WD I do not count the stuff in my pockets or clothes I carry the same knifes etc every day. I count my fleece and vest as when Hiking we build heat and they would be in pack. But you are right the spectrum is broad.I think big three is maybe a better judge. It really doesnt matter what we take we gotta haul it! My bag 20 deg. pack hammock and pad are 7 lbs 8 oz and that includes diy underliner for hammock as well.