I pack pretty light 14-16lb for a weekend helps I have a minamalist soul. But I'm also pretty hard boddied it takes a lot for me to atleast admit to being uncomfortable. I come from a background of masonry work and hard labor. That and I have used a frameless pack in past and Like concept of virtual frame. I do not use a ccf pad how ever so I beleave compression system is going to be the key to a nice ride.