Tom, Thanks, I sent a message to the Sierra Club. I think I found a great place to go this weekend. Its not too far to drive, it has two hike/bike walkin camps that are first come first served. Theres Bear lockers (so we don't have to rent a can). I called them up yesterday, the guy told me we could park on the road for free then walk in 1/4 mile to the site. There's also two lakes there, a historical site and guided scavenger hunts for kids. Sounds perfect for us. Oh and my wife likes the part about showers and a toilet LOL. Yeah a far cry from real backpacking, but this way I can show them how to use the gear. The funny part is I've driven by it several times and never even considered it. Thanks again for the tips folks, I'll let you know how it goes.