I learn something from everyone I hike with. Sometimes it is what to do and sometimes what not to do. From phat I learned to ditch the pot lifter and use wool gloves. I am on my second pair of gloves, but I think I have got a keeper. The Ursack is looking pretty good too.

I have no desire to convert Jim Shaw. A DAM inside a Bibler is a sweet kit on alpine trips.

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"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."
Yogi Berra