Phat: I am not a winter camper..... yet!!! I just felt like melting a little snow with my tea light stove and well, my inexperience showed through.

OM: I know exactly what you mean. Experience is the best teacher. I made the mistake of buying too much gear before my first trip. I found out during that trip that it was all WAY too heavy. No more liquid fuel stove for me:) Pack weight before, 45 pounds. Soon to be pack weight, less than 11 pounds. YEAH!!!