Right on Lori, that's the item. Winnmag, I would be really interested in the QM stuff if I didn't know about the sniveler. I've dealt with them before, and done so happily.

By the way, anybody here have experience with the Sniveler? (ok, my friends stay out of this) I can't imagine getting a pack on over it, so it would be limited to camp. If more insulation or windbreaker is required, one would have to carry a jacket as well. At the time I was thinking of putting a hole in my liner, I was using a military butt pack and figured I could snug that up under the tail of it. I suppose carrying the pack under it would be possible, but seems clumsy in the extreme. And a poncho does not make a very workable windbreaker. thanks all. jcp