Heh. I warned you.. That crew is a nice repository for the "traditional" stuff - which I use when the situation is appropriate, but they really aren't into anything lightweight smile

Funny part is I'm very comfortable kind of with "half and half" their traditonal heavy stuff and modern goo.

I use a cotton anorak in the winter. No sash smile and I actually like a zipper down the front smile I also use wool
pants. Love 'em. love wool. But I also wear fleece, and synthetic liners.

I own two canvas wall tents, they're great when you're getting there by truck. For anything else, forget it, I'm
in my hammock in warm weather, or a tent - cold or hot - that
deosn't weigh a ton. but I have a 5 pound solo hot tent rig! - ok three of that is the stove. but I'll take three pounds for out of wind warmth - just not 50 smile

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