The aluminum stay is holding packs back? Why do my 2.2 lb packs out-perform your 2.2 lb packs then? Why should I go to a frame sheet design when I outperform you, both in pack weight and performance when I use the lowly aluminum stay? There is much more to a pack than what the frame is made of anyway. I actually went down to REI today to buy GG pack, (I have done that before at various times), and decided once again it was just totally pointless - I did buy some new Garmont boots though. There is absolutely nothing for me to learn from your packs. It's tough to compete with your hype though - that's why you rep them....you are just another salesman. There were countless packs at REI that could do a better job than GG. Even REI had a better light pack. Your insistance that there can be no innovation with aluminum stays is a sad commentary on what you know. Your primary innovation is your hype. I'll give you this, you're a great hypester. In the end, you just have another plastic sheet that's pretty ordinary without the hype. According to you it's magic - but it's just another plastic sheet - especially the one in the Vapor Trail. With your logic, you better hold off on buying a new car because they all still have rubber wheels that need to be inflated with air. What's more, is that GGs fitting system is way off. What you guys call long is medium at the most. Your 'long size' for the Vapor Trail is not even long enough for my short torso and with lift straps that go to nothing solid.....like I said, no reason to buy something when it won't fit to start with. I hate to think of all the people out there trying to convince themselves they are having a good time ( this is when you unleash your army of internet shills - on your mark....get set....start typing, tell us how great the magical Vapor trail or Nozone is). They are not even that light for what they do.

Then to top it off you have to knock the cottage industry because it does not have the resources to compete with the mighty GG. If that's the best GG can do with their resources, they really should go back to the drawing board, raise their standards of comfort, and quit relying on shills like you to make mediocre products sound sensational.

If I were you, I would do the best I could to promote the product without getting into subjects you know nothing about. Any problems aluminum stay packs may have had in the past were generally not because of the aluminum stays but because of other aspects of pack design. Then there are good and bad aluminums. There is dogdo screen door aluminum and then there is Aerospace structural aluminum. Heck some pack companies did not even polish their stay ends but dipped them in vinyl instead, only to have the vinyl slip off and plug the frame tubes!

To just sterotype 'aluminum stays' like you do is a stupid thing to do and can only backfire on your company like it is right now. If I was running GG, the packs would be good enough that GG would not need one of their premier reps running around in chatrooms talking about how aluminum is passe and how aluminum is keeping the industry down. Looking at packs at REI I did not get the idea that aluminum is a threat - I'm not sure why you harp on it so much. Is Gregory the big threat to you? Again, I think if you just made packs that work better (pass this on to the Company), you would not have to be so annoying.