I don't know Steve. Although I did play the Starwood once. We mostly played the Whisky and then locked into the Troubadour. Doug Westin,RIP, was our mentor and took us under his wing. That small area of town was stomping grounds for a time and good times they were. Boy! has this thread deteriorated. LOL Met a bunch of people there. Joe Cocker, Alice Cooper, on and on. I am now in obscurity and currently just playing with old friends for funzies. My passion now is Bpacking and getting out of the burbs if only for the afternoon. CAUTION THREAD DRIFT I'm planning a trip your way this spring. I want to go middle to late spring when there is still decent water everywhere. Somewhere around OHT.