Hey Mistah Moderator man,:) my hands and feet get cold, then I am sunk. When out in the winter, especially in the morning, packing up and making breakfast, my hands get cold, because somewhere, you have to take your gloves off to stufff or roll something up, or put something away. I end up stuffing my hands down the front of my pants to warm my hands up. Slow progress, but I am able to get packed up and get home. Of course, on a lot of winter trips, all I have to do is get my snowmobile started and ride like a demon the few miles to my pickup or home, depending. I have never been out in a group setting in temps beyond the 20's, so we shoed out and were comfortable during the trip. You are right no ul on winter trips.