i just reread this whole thread and i can see the areas that got me going were that some of the web sites listed were giving out wrong information ( i had a look at them all),and the ones that were making jokes about it ...i probally need to lighten up some about this but working in the bush i am exposed to this every day and it is hard to let my guard down..

this person who started this thread did so because he wanted information i am trying to help him to the best of my abilities any thing else would be a disservice. and then from there we kind of got involved in all the rest we did cover.