alan

we've already had 24 degrees at my house at night and snow. But its warming up again. My thought is that the teens are normal lows up near the base of Mt Bachelor in winter with possible but rare below zero F nights, however this gear was put together for expected temps in the twenties. Its pretty dry in the Cascades despite what some poeple think, at least on the dry east side.

My clothes are very warm so I can travel in really bad weather, so I can wear them in my bag to ad serious warmth and put my down coat over the bag if need be.

That said, there is of course nothing as warm or important pound for pound as your sleeping bag. You may push your bag 20 degrees with warm clothes - even more, but you won't like it a lot. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I pushed a bag rating by 70 degrees one night! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Don't do that. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> BTW I had a blue foam pad and a snowmobile suit, but a 30 degree bag at -40 was a bit of a stretch.
Jim