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#170833 - 10/23/12 09:23 AM Enlightened Equipment.
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Doing a bit of research and I really like these quilts. Any body have much experience with Tim Marshal and his quilts? What other brands should I look at? Thanks in advance for the responses!
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#170837 - 10/23/12 11:28 AM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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I have an EE Revelation X quilt. I am very happy with it. You do have to wait for them to make it, but he beat his promised time. The construction quality is excellent. I had a difficult time finding the cosmetic flaws in the fabric he uses for Rev X. It is really an amazing price for what you get. I chose it over a WM bag that costs twice as much. I think the EE quilt is just as warm, lighter, and more flexible (plus half the cost!).

I posted a review with pictures somewhere. Since I can never figure out how to get pictures up here it is probably over on backpackinglight.com

Also, Tim has started building up a small inventory that he posts on bpl. If he has what you want in stock you won't have to wait. Here's the link: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/...thread_id=66499

Though the forum is currently closed to non-member posting. I am guessing you could email him if you want one of the posted quilts.


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#170838 - 10/23/12 11:39 AM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: BZH]
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Thanks BZH! I have contacted Tim, seems to me the way to go!
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#170840 - 10/23/12 12:20 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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It really is the way to go. Honestly I don't see the advantage of a sleeping bag over a quilt except if you sleep somewhere where bugs or critters would be an issue. But in those cases bugs and critters could stil crawl in the top opening of a sleeping bag...so again I don't see any advantage. I challenge anyone to try a quilt and explain how it's not at least equal if not superior to a sleeping bag. The only reason I feel this way is because my quilt is so freakin comfortable and I would never have known except I got a good used quilt for cheap which allowed me to try it out on a trip.

Oh yeah, here's the review of my quilt: http://www.backpacking.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=169922#Post169922


Edited by Cranman (10/23/12 12:22 PM)
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#170845 - 10/23/12 01:39 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: Cranman]
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Some of us do a lot of tossing and turning at night and can't stand cold drafts down the neck. Give me a sleeping bag with a good draft collar any day! Sleep styles are very individual. Whether to use a quilt or sleeping bag is something that each person has to try and decide for him/her self.



Edited by OregonMouse (10/23/12 01:40 PM)
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#170846 - 10/23/12 01:43 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: OregonMouse]
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Thanks Oregon Mouse! I too toss and turn, one of the reservations I have.
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#170848 - 10/23/12 02:11 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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I have never bought from Tim. However, I have only seen positive comments about his quality and service.
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#170853 - 10/23/12 03:18 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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I also toss and turn and was a bit concerned before I ordered a quilt. I found that when I closed the top snap on the EE quilt, the whole pulled in around me, just like a sleeping bag. Plus, if I get to warm, I just have to stick out a leg or an arm, or unbutton the top snap and let the draft in. Try to do that in a half-zip sleeping bag.

It is true though that not everyone who has tried a quilt has loved them. They do tend to be more drafty than a sleeping bag with a draft collar. I think they tend to put more insulation in to compensate, but if you get annoyed by drafts, a quilt probably won't work for you.

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#170855 - 10/23/12 04:59 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: OregonMouse]
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I toss, turn and roll in my sleep. Won't do sleeping bags - one incident with a stuck zipper and a full bladder, and a claustrophobic panic attack, was enough to say NEEEVVVVVVVER AGAIN. Quilts rule!

I have a winter bag - it has to truly be winter to get me to use it. And it is roomier than Most 3 season mummy bags.


Edited by lori (10/23/12 05:00 PM)
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#170856 - 10/23/12 05:41 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: lori]
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Most of us (myself included) that toss and turn also do that in beds at home, but manage to keep covered and sleep well enough smile I have only spent one night in below 40F with my quilt and it worked great. I also prefer to sleep in underwear only so for me the only downside is either sleeping directly on my air matteress or having to bring a sheet of some sort. But for sure "to each his own" and if you don't plan your sleeping gear well and sleep comfortably trips jus aren't as fun. On this subject I have also learned a heavier but more comfortabe mattress is worth the extra weight!

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#170857 - 10/23/12 06:40 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: lori]
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Originally Posted By lori
I toss, turn and roll in my sleep. Won't do sleeping bags - one incident with a stuck zipper and a full bladder, and a claustrophobic panic attack, was enough to say NEEEVVVVVVVER AGAIN. Quilts rule!

I have a winter bag - it has to truly be winter to get me to use it. And it is roomier than Most 3 season mummy bags.
I've had a similar experience at 13000 feet, so I was already lacking o2, I almost never zip my bag up all the way.

What is it like sleeping on the straps?

Thanks everyone for the usefull information.
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#170859 - 10/23/12 06:46 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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I purchased one back in March, Revelation X- 6' reg with the 30% overfill for the 30 degree ( 20 oz) and used a silk liner to keep the inside clean.
I used a 8L WP bag to stuff mine in worked perfect.

Tried it out on 2 trips this season.

Wore a light fabric Balacava, T-shirt & hiking pants & use a 3/4 Z-lite pad. One trip was just 40 degrees and the other was down to 24 degrees. Note : I use a Tarptent Squall 2

Determine if you are a cold or warm sleeper when choosing!

Will not got back to a bag again for 3 season camping smile

Mike


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#170860 - 10/23/12 07:18 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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my quilts don't have straps.

I don't have too many issues with draftiness, either. I seem to have practiced enough with a 20" mattress and a quilt that I sleep quite warmly, into the low 20F range with appropriate base layer and a warm beanie hat.

I sleep directly on the pad - NeoAir or Big Agnes Q Core - and the base layer does the job nicely of limiting the issue of skin-on-nylon.
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#170862 - 10/23/12 07:56 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: lori]
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As for the straps w/snaps, I never use them. I cinch down the bottom end and zip it up to create the "foot box" and once my feet are in there the rest of the quilt drapes over me like a bed quilt. I think the foot box does two things, it keeps the feet warmer becasue they are surrounded by down and also as you move around it keeps your feet contained and also keeps the quilt mostly centered. You could use the quilt unzipped and lying flat like a normal blanket but I don't think it would work well at all like that. So I guess really it's a hybrid, 1/2 quilt 1/2 sleping bag.

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#170863 - 10/23/12 08:08 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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A lot of sleeping bags can be used as a quilt if desired. I have a WM Summerlite that I mostly use as a quilt but it has the advantage of being zip-upable if drafts become a problem. I have a homemade down quilt I used until I got the Summerlite that is warm to the mid-20's unless it or I get out of position. Then, drafts and cold air will wake me up and make me adjust me and the quilt. Then it is back to sleep until the next cold spot comes along. It does not have straps but does have "draft stopper" fabric strips along the sides. For temperatures to around 28F, I like the Summerlite; it can be used as either a sleeping bag or quilt depending on conditions and it only weighs 19 oz. I can extend it's useability to near 20F by wearing my clothes to bed. My purpose-made quilt weighs 18 oz. The quilt does have a head hole so I can use it as an insulated jacket but I can accomplish pretty much the same thing by wrapping my sleeping bag around me in cold weather.
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#170864 - 10/23/12 08:20 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: Pika]
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I was just looking at a WM bag, very nice! But at 435$ I could get 2 of Tim's quilts!
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#170865 - 10/23/12 08:54 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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Oh man you guys suck, I just placed my order! Tim has my size and temp ready to stuff. Grey/lime
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#170866 - 10/23/12 09:18 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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Great. Now I'm considering one. Need a 3 season quilt or bag. My 15 degree Mountain Hardwear bag has quarter zip. Impossible to vent and easy to get hot in it. Therefore, it be reserve for cold, cold nights in this area.
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#170867 - 10/23/12 09:27 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: ETSU Pride]
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190$ 20 deg overstuffed, basicly the same as the 10 deg quilt, really not bad at all.I just ordered it and Tim instantly emailed me and said it would be stuffed and shipped by Thursday! That's impressive.
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#170868 - 10/23/12 09:27 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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Oh and 1.5 lbs!!! Half the weight of my current bag.


Edited by rockchucker22 (10/23/12 09:28 PM)
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#170872 - 10/23/12 09:58 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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I noticed he has a synthetic version, anyone know the stuff size? Sorry for mildly derailing the thread.
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#170875 - 10/23/12 10:14 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: ETSU Pride]
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Originally Posted By ETSU Pride
I noticed he has a synthetic version, anyone know the stuff size? Sorry for mildly derailing the thread.
Derail away! It still is very pertinent to the conversation. I too are courious about this.

On a side note funny how no matter where we are technologically we still find the basics the best. Wool, down, skin... Anyone see the nat geo a few months ago, the last inset has a picture of a Eskimo with a walrus gut coat. I swear it looks as modern as any high end parka produced today. So it makes sinse that a blanket format is more comfortable in general. It's what we are use to and use everyday.

Talk about derail......
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#171013 - 10/28/12 10:38 AM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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Got my quilt yesterday! It's so nice great craftsmanship. Can't wait to try it.
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#171125 - 10/30/12 05:23 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: rockchucker22]
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You will not find anyone complaining about Tim's quilts, even if you look hard. Certainly nobody will have anything ill to say about his customer service.

The one thing is, though, you have to like quilts. If you don't like quilts, there's nothing in particular that EE can do to change that.

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#171129 - 10/30/12 07:07 PM Re: Enlightened Equipment. [Re: Hermes (Nick G)]
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What stuff sacks are people using for thier quilts? I was thinking z packs cuben fiber sack looks good for $13.
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