Just to let everyone know, the Sublite silnylon will be a little different than the original pictures. I can not say what, but it will be worth waiting for. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Alan WOW dude, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Now thats a tent, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />I like it, especially the solid A frame ends and rigid top <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> - I bet it doesn't flap at all - so you can cook in it - and wow double wow - a cook hole <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Put it in a sled and who cares what it weighs? Its a winter tent, things are different in the winter. Nice tent <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> - wanna sell it?
Oh Iso I'm going BPing with Bigfoot in 5 days at the coast and I can examine the original TNF Dandelion and maybe take it to the beach on our trip. I threatened to make Sherpa - BF's dog, drag it to camp. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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Jim, Rivendell made all of about 350 bombshelters and I know of about 10 in existence. I got quite lucky scoring this one. You'll have to pry this one out of my cold, dead hands. You are right, it doesn't flap at all, the tent is rock solid in the wind.
That shelter looks sweet! So, how much does bombshelter weigh? I'm sure it heavy but just curious. Also, pardon my four season tent ignorance, but what benefits does one have using a drawstring tunneled door?
There would be no zipper to freeze, crack or break by using a drawstring tunnel entrance. Also, if you are getting lots of snow, it's easier to dig your way out of a tunnel door instead of trying to free zippers, etc. It will (in theory) save weight by not having a zipper door. And besides...no other tent will look like it and it's just so cool looking! :cool
Just an FYI--- Henry says that he will be "reworking" the silnylon Sublite and that the final product will be.....different....than the prototype in the pictures <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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These pages are from Rivendell's last catalog. The current owners of Rivendell are considering reintroducing the tent, I'm certain a modern version would weigh less as today's fabric choices didn't exist at the time. After Rivendell was bought by the Yak Works they breifly made a gore tex version of the tent, but I don't have any specs on that version. I know of one gore tex version still around, but's it a long way from home and the owner doesn't wish to sell. The bombshelter is quite small, it was designed to pitch in a very small spot and be very storm proof. You really have to like your tent mate, but for one person it's not bad.
Edit, the print turned out hard to read. Width - 46" Length - 84" plus the back triangle (end pitched into the wind) is 13" long Height - 35" 28.9 square feet Weight - 5 pounds, 12 ounces
That drawstring "snow door" was in the WW II U.S. Army 10th Mountain Division nylon (yes!) mountain tents that were reversable - white on one side and O.D. green on the other. Why do I know this? B/C as a Boy Scout in the '50s in Toledo Ohio, our troop had five of thse beauties, complete W/ 4 sectioned wooden, metal tipped & jointed poles for the two A-frame sleeves at each end.
Those were "high tech", high speed tents in those days. Other Scouts drooled over them and the speed with which we could get them up. Plus, on windy days we were often the only ones with no tent problems AND they had - wonder of wonders - SEWN IN FLOORS!
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BF quote "I'm not hearing any thoughts on what would make a good 4 season Tarptent, people.....
BF "
Perhaps its because nobody else thinks a 4 season tarp tent is a good idea... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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I concur with the other posters, the rainbow is an excellent multi-person design. Doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to convert to 4 person, but I think most of us would rather have two, 2-person tarps? For redundant safety, or if the group splits up, it's nice if the entire shelter isn't carried by one person. It's also easier to find two small flat spots than one big one.
I am not sure about a zipper freezing but I do know that if any type of guy line or bungee type of rope or string gets cold enough it too will freeze and be relatively hard to deal with. I agree with you though that there should be a little savings in weight not having to deal with a zipper at all.. And yes you are right it does look cool as hell. A modern day version of the thing would be a much sought after tent I can guarantee you that. I am surprised that some one hasn't at least made the effort to build one of these things just to see how it would turn out. It would be the "BOMB" today with today's high-tec fabrics and all. For some one with little sewing skills, they should be able to pull some thing like that out of their hat shouldn't they ????? Hope this Helps Happy Trekking...sabre11004....
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I have seen several sites that sell Camo Silnylon and if I had the time I think that I could probably dig up what those sites were. If any body is interested, let me know and I will see what I can do...Hope that Helps...Happy Trekking...sabre11004....
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In my experience Spinnaker would be very noisy in a significant wind. Have you ever been on a sail boat. Their sails make more noise than I think that I would tolerate in the back woods. Hope that helps...Happy Trekking...sabre11004...
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About the vestibule....Henry plainly says that if you want all that fancy stuff like a vestibule you might want to look for other options...Hope that helps...Happy Trekking...sabre11004...
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I'm not hearing any thoughts on what would make a good 4 season Tarptent, people.....
I don't know if there would be much of a demand for a four season Tarptent--especially given the popularity of single-poled tipi tents ala the MegaLight.
But then I thought some more, and decided that a less-expensive alternative to a Warmlite would be worthwhile. Keep the tunnel shape, but have the vestibules be floorless, and make it with doors on each end. Obviously, the double-walled approach used by Warmlite would be required to keep condensation down. The doors should have both mosquito netting and breathable ripstop paneling--the second is needed to keep spindrift out of the interior.
There is one problem with the double-walled approach: how to vent the roof? Perhaps the solution could be similar to what TNF uses in its expedition tents--have zippered panels in the interior ceiling backed by mesh that match with vents with stiffened eyebrows on the outer layer.
Designing a winter tent out of non-breathable materials is a tough challenge--you have to be able to close the thing up tight from wind and spindrift, yet still allow air circulation so that you don't die of asphyxiation.
I'm also not convinced that sil-nyl is suitable for tent floors when camping on snow--I've seen water come through the floor of even the 1500mm coating of a MH Trango 2. It's heavy, but there's a reason why Bibler uses the floor material it does on its top of the line tents.
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