I'm with OM on the Seattle debacle. It was a few years ago and I can't find the thread in our archives. May have been longer ago than I remember. In any event, the bottom line is be careful and vet whom you may be trusting with your life. Not to be too dramatic, but when your trip ends with a huge SAR response in a raging storm because your group leader is a moron and you are stranded in heavy snow with inadequate gear and clothing, that's not a good thing.