On another token you need to be able to enjoy your trip. If you are carrying to much weight and in my case destroy my knees the first day, then the trip is ruined and I may not want to go out again for quite sometime. Luckily I atleast have an understanding on what to bring and during the warm summer months in the Rockies, the list of warm gear isn't all that necessary (depending on altitude and location of course). I still need to get a pack down to a a maximum weight for 20lbs and that is simply because I need YUMMY food <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I can't be like my friend and live on oatmeal, and potato flakes the whole trip <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />