Interesting post Brum. Since you didn't quote it my respect for you diminished quite a bit until I got to the last paragraph <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

If you think this is bad, check out some of the old versions of the Boy Scout Handbook. As recently as the 70's, Boy Scouts would go into a wooded area and chop down all the saplings for use in camp projects.