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Babybunny

Its the fleece under the down jacket that makes you "WARM", not the down in the outer shell.

It is my own humble opinion that high number down should not be used in down jackets <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> - 650 makes for a warmer garment because the down does not compress so much. I think your experience should show others that UL down jackets are garbage and will not keep you warm.


How much more do you think 800 down compresses than 650? Twice as much? 50%?

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The message here is - UL down jackets alone will not keep you warm, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />AND 800 down jackets do not have down which is strong enough to hold the shape of a garment without flapping and loosing warm air from inside it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />Its exactly the same for down bags - 800 down and gossamer fabrics = flapping and warm air being lost. Its a case of weight over function being driven by UL nuts. Yes you guys... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />


What flapping of a 800 down bag are you talking about? I've never seen my sleeping bag flap. Maybe I'm not out in strong enough wind?
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