WD, again, from my own experience I would have to agree with your post. It never fails that having along folks who are not on the same 'plain' as you out in the field will ruin an otherwise perfectly good trip <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Ditto on the day leader idea when in a larger group fo 3-5. I like having 'time off' from doing all the mapping, trail breaking/finding, weather forecasting, etc during a trip with others. I go out for the same reasons as other folks, and don't need the stress of having 'depeandants' along for the hike <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />