Ah, but these are not hikers looking for them, remember?

For any one layering, zip-ins are a pain, but I know many in Nashville in the Casual-twice-a-year-ski-vacationer category that INSIST their shell and liner should zip together. One once informed me that to not do so was "tacky". She obviously knew a lot more about outdoor gear than I did.......

After all, The North Face sure caters to her needs, not mine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> (Sorry Penny, TNF jackets are a sore point at my store.)