Bigfoot,
in1988 I bought white cloud serial number 40. Around 1990 I was in Western Mountaineerings shop in San Jose Cal and I saw another white cloud for $100 that had been used as a haul bag on El Capitan <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />and they had trid to destroy it. So I bought it and sold it to my BP buddy for $150. Anyway the waterproofing started flaking out of mine and I returned it and they sent me a new cloud 6500. Well I was talking to my friend and he has stopped using the pack because of the water proofing flaking off and I've offered him $20 to get my old pack back. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />I will turn it inside out and wirewheel the stuff completly off - that or paint stripper? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I would most probably use the smaller White Cloud with the titanium stay for my climbing pack <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />and the larger Cloud 6500 in the Winter, and in the summer since its modular summer weight is only 29 ounces and a white cloud weighs 51.
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />Jim