Tarbubble, I understand why you did your post. BUt your remarks are what I am trying to say. Would you rather buy your organic food from Albertsons, hence supporting the big chain of Albertsons or would you rather support a local market?
As far as Tourons go, perhaps you have not heard of this term in you neck of the woods. But up here it is a term used for A: a tourist on a day day with no gear what so ever, maybe just a little evian bottle and they can be seen up the trail a good ways (somethime 6+ miles) or B: those that go on a day hike and still take no gear with them. Both are extremely un-prepared and present a hazard to themselve and the possible rescuers that have to come and get them. Hence makign them a tourist and a moron at the same time.

Turon A was spotted about 4 miles up the trail when we were coming out. Later when we were finally at the end of the trail head up comes some wilderness rescuers with a giant "big" wheel gurny. Heat stroke was the prognosis. Yes we confirmed the victim. (that way no acusations can be made that it might have been somone else) No I did not take such picture, I for one find it gross, but it proves the point.



This touron campsite was about 5 miles up the trail. I took these pictures of what not to do. Note un-staked tent, and food lying around, cooler, and even a steel double burner propane stove. Open trash bag. Not to mention the mess.









No I do not view you as an idiot, any more than a person who asks me to fix their car. I am happy to do it and love doing it. I am a peole person and love to serve, in fact I believe that we were put here to serve and not to be served. And you can be safe, I do not even have a desire to teach elementry. I have the utmost respect for elementry teachers and there will be a special place in heaven for them (not math teachers though <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />) I actually plan on teaching college/adult ed, but will be starting out in secondary ed because of job security.
No I don't have a superiority complex, and if anything I have yet to master the UL/SUL world, in fact as progressive as it is it is one that can never be mastered, just like life. It was not my intent to come off that way. But I can understand how one might see it as such.