Nice post WD <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Maybe try Montbell pads instead of the Trest again in the future? I know Cascades Designs will repair the Trest for free, but you have to ship it to them <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I'm surprised that you are'nt/have'nt found the Trest pads to be that durable in frequent use <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> They are the most heavily advertised brand, and you know what they say about that... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> it's the gear you don't see ads for that folks are using that gives one pause for thought in my book <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Due to a bad back I can't sleep on any of the hard pads; only inflatables when on the ground. That's why I went back into the trees (ok, punned myself for all my detractors out there <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />). Hammock sleeping has really given me less issues regarding restless nights when I can hang one up.

It also matters the region and weather on the ground with a pad. Once up in NH I slept out on a really nice granite outcropping with little more than a very thin hard pad under me, and sleeping bag. Constantly woke to being cold and uncomfortable. The idea was great but not practical <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> It's a place I call 'my office' looking off the West side of a rather large New England peak <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Even on a pine needle duff layered forest floor, I can't sleep well on a hard pad, has to be an inflatable. Some day I'd like to try one of those syn filled pads like the down filled ones in a side by side extended trip trial deal to see which one works for me, if either.