Rick, can the Shangrila 2 be easily pitched above the ground like the MegaMid and BetaMid can (add 6" chord loops on tie outs)?

Tom, yes it's me. Only one person dumb enough to use "pinnah"!!!! wink From TTips yes? You had the ?Atomic? boots? Based on your avatar, any connection to Mountain Tools of PG Outdoor? Fond memories of Monterey but the skiing wasn't as good as NH!

Phat, thanks to the pointer to the Scarp. I'm pretty set on a floorless single wall with a small foot print compared to my aging MegaMid.