Thank you both for the replies. Either jacket would fit my purpose but the Montbell is at a great price point and the fill weight seems very good for the price if the down is good quality. Passed up a used WM flight jacket but hard to tell what shape its in by a few pictures.

Still deciding on hood or no hood. Generally I find a hood somewhat annoying but I guess you cant beat the added warmth they offer.

thanks again, jimmyb