Duane, Don't know your age, but I hate to tell you this, but age is a factor. I'm at the point where I'm up a couple of times most nights. And when I'm on the trail, it's an awful nuisance. I tend to use a poncho/tarp and to be alone. I have been known to walk on my knees to the edge of the shelter and aim out. Getting back into the sleeping bag is always difficult for me. It was easy when I went to beb. Never have understood. Best, jcp