I knew the area a bit, just had only been that way one other time. I've come in by the trail that comes out of Lily Lake by Glen Alpine Springs four times maybe, that passes to the north and above Upper Echo Lake if you take a fork in the trail, but have only come in by Lower Echo Lake one Memorial Day weekend for a three night snowshoe trip about six years ago, so things difinitely look different and trying to remember things. Would be real tough to get lost in there as you can follow the shoreline from close to my camp as a last resort to get back to the lodge then the road to the SnoPark. Thank you, headed to Winterfest sponsored by mtnsteve the end of the month, outside Lassen Park for a change, due to the large crowd I think.