OregonMouse and I disagree over the NeoAir, I have used mine down to the single digits on unfrozen, dry ground and in the snow using a blue pad in temps to the 20's. I use a silk liner (JagBags) to mostly keep my bag cleaner, for me it adds some warmth, mostly from drafts. Be careful cooking over a fire, some times of the year may not be safe to do. You're like me, that's how I started bping, the stoves were an unknown quantity as I had no knowledge about them except for seeing the old Coleman suitcase types. I now have a collection of stoves that were used in the '70's that I have accumulated since Dec.