Gotta agree with Brian about the trail quality in the Whites - absolutely awful. For planning purposes, we assume a pace of about 1 mile per hour, and we were only a little bit ahead of that on this trip. Part of the trail we were on (Rocky Branch Trail) is actually in a stream bed where you have to hop from rock to rock to avoid getting your feet soaked. Still, it's the same as it was 40 years ago, so there's more to the equation than people just now discovering how bad the trails are.....