Thanks Arizona, very useful information and thanks to everyone else also.

I have a number of Surefire products and all are superior in both quality and performance. None are cheap however. Biggest problem I've had is that they seem to 'grow legs' and walk away. I'm a little dissappointed in the 'adventurous' nature of some of you men here....don't you know what old worn out backpacks are for. That's how you move items such as this in and out of the house without 'dear wifey' finding out Didn't sound like many/any were interested but if you are...Bright Guys.com has them in stock for same day shipping.