I really prefer my "5.11" brand of nylon duck tactical law enforcement pants for desert and cooler weather. $50. with double knees and seat plus VERY high quality. Plus 5.11 sells a neoprene pad that fits perfectly in the inside pocket opening of the double knees. Great for rock scrambling trails.

I definitely prefer them over RailRiders for their design & construction and fortheir lower price.

Eric
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"There are no comfortable backpacks. Some are just less uncomfortable than others."