Also Dick, the venting on the neck and hem of a VB shirt is not like a regular crewneck. If it was then it would'nt allow the approairate moisture level to build and work with the VB shirt. Definitely tech clothing for the gear fiddler amongst us. I had a tone of it in the 70's, and then lost much of it while moving in the 80's <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> along with some of my LP collection <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />