Tom D

getting off the ground is always the most dangerous thing next to rappelling down. Circumstances dictate where pro can be placed, but under the circumstances, the pro at 10 feet was useless, and he may as weel have just gone for the 30 foot spot and saved the energy (of placing the first pro) for climbing. However going 30 feet up technical rock that is near your limit, before placing pro, is asking for it.

And yes far more hikers will fall over cliffs than climbers.
Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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These are my own opinions based on wisdom earned through many wrong decisions. Your mileage may vary.