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#88144 - 01/29/08 02:40 PM Re: Survey - how warm is your down jacket? [Re: Jimshaw]
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"As the loft increases the amount they use decreases. "

Seems reasonable that if a jacket/bag/etc. were designed around the loft of down to be used, that would not be the case. Bigger baffles, loftier yet lighter down, more dead air, lighter yet warmer jacket. No?
I can certainly see that the SAME garment stuffed with 650 or 850 should insulate about the same. My TNF 700fp is 'overstuffed' in my opinion, which defeats the purpose of 700 fp. It's still warm as heck.
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#88145 - 01/29/08 05:52 PM Re: Survey - how warm is your down jacket? [Re: Dryer]
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Ye of southern climates. you fail to grok the wonderful white stuff..

White stuff means it's "warm" - because there is clouds out - see, while windy, the
temperature when I took the pics on sunday was only -23C (before wind chill).

Now onthe other hand, it's now cleared off, and the sky mid-day is a bright clear sunny blue - really quite nice other than a bit of ice fog - since the temperature this morning while walking to the bus was -38C (before wind chill). Fortunately not much wind this morning.

Walking home was another story. I think it had warmed up to -32 or so, but there
was some wind. I had to walk 6 blocks from the bus, and while I was warm while
walking (wearing kamik boots, street clothes, heavy wool pants up over kidneys, 200 wt. fleece, that parka, toque, scarf, and mitts) I knew just from walking into the wind for
a few blocks that I was underdressed for being sedentary outside at that temperature
for a long period. I needed probably another wool sweater and longjohns.
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#88146 - 01/29/08 10:12 PM Re: Survey - how warm is your down jacket? [Re: phat]
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phat
although your temps are lower than I often see, I have been in some nasty stuff in my mountaineering gear and I must say that down bibs over long underwear with overshells (preferabley also bibs), with my Marmot 39 ounce coat (700 down - marmot model 40) are good for just about anything. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> I was toasty warm at -5F in a 50 mph wind for extended time. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I have high top down pants too, but the bibs are the way to go.

Bibs make such a difference not just because of the extralayers over your kidneys, but they close up the thermal gap at the waist where pants and coats overlap. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />AND they take some strain off your belly <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> by not having waist bands. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> and they add a lot of torso insulation.

The Hood makes a tremendous difference. A really good hood is worth its weigh in gold.
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#88147 - 01/30/08 05:24 AM Re: Survey - how warm is your down jacket? [Re: Jimshaw]
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The problem I have with my FF Volant is that it's often too warm. If it's much above freezing, I don't wear it. Primarily because I don't like needlessly filling it with perspiration.

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#88148 - 01/30/08 09:03 AM Re: Survey - how warm is your down jacket? [Re: phat]
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Loc: New York / Istanbul
could you resize your pictures please phat?

i've got a Feathered Friends Frontpoint, with hood. It's kinda hot at 5 Fahrenheit, and almost unbearable at 20f in a tee shirt. It weighs 31 ounces -- men's large in Epic.

I've got a Feathered Friends Volant, with hood. It's nice between -5f and 32f, but it does get a bit hot.

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#88149 - 01/31/08 04:52 PM Re: Survey - how warm is your down jacket? [Re: Jimshaw]
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Well I found this out, my "Gap" down jacket, that weighs about a pound and a half is not very warm when wearing a long sleeve T-shirt in 20F with a 20+mph wind.

I was pretty happy with it until I read what you all are using <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

It just doesn't get so cold here that I really *Need* a better jacket, but I think I'll start keeping an eye out for one anyway.

I wish you all had come to some consensus on what was best though, that would make it a lot easier for me <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Bill S.

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