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#170012 - 10/01/12 10:12 AM Wild (Cheryl Strayed)
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This is not the sort of book you read if you want to know about life on the trail.

If you like introspective and emotional journeys, this is good. But don't expect any info on the JMT section of the PCT - she skipped most of the Sierra. She doesn't include facts of the trail unless it presents an obstacle, like not having water for a forty mile stretch, or her horrible awful wrong-sized boots.

It's good to know REI will send you replacements if you are on the PCT and the boots don't fit right. (They never got the old ones back tho. She threw 'em off a cliff.)

(Also not a book for dedicated LNT folk.)
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#170014 - 10/01/12 11:20 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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Saying all of that do you think it is a good book or not?

Based on the reviews I have read most people enjoyed it. I have a few other books to read before I get this one for my kindle.

Sometimes a lot of books that talk about the trail all the time aren't that great.

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#170016 - 10/01/12 11:41 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: Ewker]
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It's a well written books. Good or not depends on your expectations.

I hiked myself back from a major loss as well - her experiences do not resemble mine, but I can relate.
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#170018 - 10/01/12 12:34 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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I read the book and was not impressed. Note that it is just my opinion and others enjoyed the book. She realized that she had a drug problem yet she continued to use drugs. She realized that she had a problem with relationships with men yet she kept a large supply of condoms just in case she got a chance. It reminded me of the rock star who is viewed as a hero because they are trying to kick their drug use but has a relapse from time to time. It is like the teenage boy who brags that he can drink 6 beers and still satisfy three girls in one night. Again: This is MY opinion.

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#170019 - 10/01/12 12:59 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: GrumpyGord]
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Let's just say this was a book I had difficulty setting aside the professional to read.

I'm a therapist.)
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#170026 - 10/01/12 04:02 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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I only looked at the book on the shelf, but her account of watching the sun rise over Mt. Hood while in the depths of Eagle Creek Canyon was, to say the least, a wee bit strange. As anyone knows who's been here, there is no view of Mt. Hood from down in Eagle Creek! Also, Mt. Hood is due south of there. That was more than enough to dissuade me from buying the book.
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#170027 - 10/01/12 06:44 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: OregonMouse]
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Hey, if John Wayne can get the sun to set in the east in The Green Berets, anything is possible! (One of the most outstanding cinematic blunders I've ever seen - and I'm a big fan of the Duke.) smile

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#170029 - 10/01/12 08:40 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: OregonMouse]
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Originally Posted By OregonMouse
I only looked at the book on the shelf, but her account of watching the sun rise over Mt. Hood while in the depths of Eagle Creek Canyon was, to say the least, a wee bit strange. As anyone knows who's been here, there is no view of Mt. Hood from down in Eagle Creek! Also, Mt. Hood is due south of there. That was more than enough to dissuade me from buying the book.


I'm reading the book now. From her point of view, that was an accurate description. Maps and a compass were a mystery to her and she often didn't know where she was.

It's not a backpacking book. It's a personal journey book. I'm enjoying it. Still, it shows that someone who knows little about backpacking can have quite a journey.


Edited by Gershon (10/01/12 08:41 PM)
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#170065 - 10/02/12 05:21 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: Glenn Roberts]
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I love that scene...Proof that the Duke could move heaven and earth lol

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#170602 - 10/15/12 04:59 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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I'm halfway through the book now, finally got it from my local library. My reactions are similar to what others have written here, which surprised me a bit given how popular the book has become. I don't think I'm well equipped to perceive the book in a typical way.

In addition to all the messed-up-life issues pre-hike, and some that came along on the hike, it just struck me how utterly unprepared she was. Certainly impressive to keep going with such handicaps, but my overall feeling is that anyone can have an "adventure" if they set their hand to something challenging with no meaningful planning or preparation.

I guess what bugs me is the level of angst and drama that then come out of that. The PCT can be a challenging trail at times, but mostly it really is just a lot of walking. Seeing a bear, almost stepping on a rattlesnake --- that stuff happens. Someone who hasn't hiked much might find that to be really dramatic. It really isn't. I've had the occasional dramatic moment on the trail, but to fill a book with such when you've hiked less than half of one such trail ... I think you have to overhype at least a bit.

First Bryson and now this. I wish thru-hiking books that become popular could be written by folks that actually thru-hike (hike the whole trail), and even better if they did it a bit more like a mature and intelligent person would. But perhaps it's those who come least prepared and have more trouble as a result that write the books that non-hikers can best relate to???

Maybe I'll like this book better as I get into the second half.
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#170603 - 10/15/12 05:17 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: BrianLe]
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Brought up in a panel discussion on gear trends at the recent ALDHA-West gathering (Brian, were you there?): Wishes on the part of the panelists that folks like Andrew Skurka and Justin Lichter would write about their adventures instead--per Ron Moak of Six Moon Designs, "Anyone can write a gear guide."
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#170607 - 10/15/12 06:01 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: OregonMouse]
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Cheryl was on NPR last week, the Diane Rheem show.
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#170654 - 10/16/12 02:46 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: OregonMouse]
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Quote:
"Brought up in a panel discussion on gear trends at the recent ALDHA-West gathering (Brian, were you there?)"

I remember hearing that comment --- I was there. In fact, I've got proof! :-)
I'm the bald grey-bearded guy to the far right in the photo from this:
Stepping up into the ranks of Triple Crown hikers

I sort of agree with the comment, or rather, I agree that the field of gear-focused books by experienced hikers has become richly populated. The other thing about gear-focused guides is that they inevitably get out of date pretty quickly; just turn to almost any random page in a copy of "The Complete Walker" by Colin Fletcher for an example of this.
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#170664 - 10/16/12 04:36 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: BrianLe]
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I was the one who asked the last question of the panel (about spinnaker). I had to leave shortly thereafter so didn't get a chance to look around for familiar names on name tags.

I previously congratulated you on your CDT finish and the Triple Crown, but congrats for the award itself!

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming....


Edited by OregonMouse (10/16/12 04:37 PM)
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#170719 - 10/18/12 11:26 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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Just finished this book. Wild is a good read. Its hiking alone from a womans perspective. Its about feelings, fears ,hopes- but then thats mostly what backpacking is- a chance to get away and work out the things in your head. Its a way to find out what and who you are.

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#170724 - 10/19/12 08:52 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: MGtraildog]
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Originally Posted By MGtraildog
Just finished this book. Wild is a good read. Its hiking alone from a womans perspective. Its about feelings, fears ,hopes- but then thats mostly what backpacking is- a chance to get away and work out the things in your head. Its a way to find out what and who you are.


It's not about hiking. That's the funny thing.

I was a bit disappointed, frankly, that it wasn't more about the hiking. A friend told me about it, I bought it, and then he confessed later on that he skipped whole sections of the book about her past.
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#170730 - 10/19/12 11:25 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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My wife started reading it and despite somewhat-negative comments from me beforehand, she's enjoying it.

I think this might be a bit like sight-impaired people encountering an elephant. We come at something like this from different vectors, with differing expectations. With my sort of unconscious expectations and backgrounds, I was far from impressed, but given where it is on the best-seller list and my own spouses impression so far, clearly there are a lot of people who like the book!
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#170732 - 10/19/12 12:16 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: BrianLe]
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I may have to read the book again to see if I missed something. Looking at it as a hiker I was disappointed because it was not really about hiking. As a book about confronting your personal problems it seemed to me that she ended the hike with pretty much the same problems that she had when she started. It looked like her outlook changed quite a while after the hike and not necessarily because of the hike. YMMV

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#171019 - 10/28/12 01:40 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: GrumpyGord]
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I just finished it and I have to agree with most that it's not really about the hiking - it's about her personal problems (of which there are many - mostly self inflicted IMO).

It was actually a combination of humorous and painful to read about her gear. I kept thinking "when is she going to ditch those ridiculous boots?". It was clear that the size of the boot wasn't the problem - it was the lack of preparation to ensure that what she put on her feet would be durable and COMFORTABLE. And then, of course, there was the issue of pack weight...

All in all I found it worth reading, but not by much.
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#171026 - 10/28/12 04:17 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: BrianLe]
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Brian- YOU are the logical one to write a book about the real experiences of thru-hiking! I really enjoyed reading your journals. I would buy a book written by you.

We are a nation addicted to spill your guts, everything done wrong books. It is unfortunate that well planned, well executed aventures are considered "boring". I read the Bryson book and did not like it. I have not read "Wild". Not my type of reading, even if the setting were something other than backpacking. I really feel these sensational books written by people who do not even finish the trail belittle the many who are successful.

Same with most climbing books (and more so movies). The poorest planned expeditions tend to turn into epics and those who come out of it alive then write a book. I am just not into rewarding stupidity. The worst climbing movies are the ones about Everest expeditions. And who can forget Sylvester Stallone in the Alps! How rediculous.

It takes a very skilled writer to chronical the "ordinary" and make that a true epic adventure. Every person who has completed a thru-hike has a history, hopes, fears, obstacles overcome, insights, revelations, moments of suspense and introspection.

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#171030 - 10/28/12 08:37 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: MGtraildog]
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Originally Posted By MGtraildog
Just finished this book. Wild is a good read. Its hiking alone from a womans perspective. Its about feelings, fears ,hopes- but then thats mostly what backpacking is- a chance to get away and work out the things in your head. Its a way to find out what and who you are.


I'm responding again to comment - as a woman, and a backpacker, I have a completely different perspective than Cheryl Strayed, who was not a backpacker, and a mentally ill woman.

At least, she was when she did the hike. She may or may not be struggling with the same issues currently. I'd hope that she is not because her behavior and her wildly fluctuating emotional state, which directly influenced her decision making process, can't be much fun to deal with...

Backpacking for me is NOT about fears, hopes and etc. It's what I do to go home.
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#171035 - 10/28/12 11:53 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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Lori- I could not agree with you more! Turning inward or trying to figure out what's wrong with my life is the LAST thing on my mind when backpacking. It is pure escapism. I am 100% focused on my surroundings and simply "doing". I "feel" my surroundings with such a heightened awareness that I become the mountains. When younger I used to think I would figure out grand things when backpacking but it has never happened - way too into the experience, the moment. My mind actually becomes incapable of huge philosophical thought - from an intellectual standpoing it sort of turns to mush. I become a pretty simple person - eat, walk, sleep, feel sunshine on my skin, route-find, watch my step, observe everything, camp chores.

PS Lori, I would have thought that you would have been sent out on the search and rescue going on.

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#171038 - 10/29/12 12:51 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: wandering_daisy]
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I think there are just a whole lot of books out there already that boil down to "the story of my thru-hike", and every year I'm pretty sure that more people who do a thru-hike feel the urge to write yet another book about it. It's such an amazing experience for them that it's easy to overlook the fact that hundreds of people do a multi-month thru-hike every year.

Maybe the CDT could use another book (and/or film); there are a ton for the AT and quite a number for the PCT too. Unless you're a known author (like Bryson) or manage somehow to get good marketing (Strayed), I don't think there's likely to be a very good market for such. The right author with the right approach might well prove me wrong (and I hope so).

I'd say also that writing is a craft that for at least most people takes a great deal of work and practice to even begin to get good at. I think I'm just smart enough to know that I can't sit down and casually dash off the great American novel on my first try --- far from it.

All that said, I have been working on a different kind of book, partly as a sort of bucket-list thing and partly because I see at least a small niche available that perhaps even I can do at least an okay job at (?). The great thing about the age of ePublishing is that the barriers to becoming an "author" are much lower. The awful thing about it is the same thing of course --- with the result that a whole lot of poorly conceived, poorly written, and/or poorly (or just not) edited "books" are out there now in the ePublishing world.

I'm hoping to add one to that ocean by the end of this year. A fun project anyway!
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#171048 - 10/29/12 06:26 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: BrianLe]
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Brian,

I read a good bit of one of your journals which is online someplace. It would be a good book just the way it is with very little editing. If you want any help with mechanics of publishing on Amazon, let me know.

Don't expect to get rich. but it's fun to watch the little royalties trickle in.
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#171053 - 10/29/12 10:16 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: wandering_daisy]
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If you mean the one in SEKI, they haven't called for mutual aid help, and I'm not part of either the SEKI or Inyo team.

There is an active search going in Sierra National Forest out of Courtright as well - the trouble is that I am not able to commit to three days of search due to work obligations, and they are requiring it.

Send out your prayers to all the search teams currently deployed - weather is coming, and while volunteers will be pulled out if it gets bad they are still looking. They are racing to beat the weather and need to find those two subjects.
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#171066 - 10/29/12 01:12 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: BrianLe]
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From what I have heard here, Strayed's book seems to be popular because almost all its readers have no connection to or interest in backpacking; for them it is just a peculiar personal story and they accept it entirely on the terms laid down by the author.

there are just a whole lot of books out there already that boil down to "the story of my thru-hike"

I have read a great many of these books, maybe five by now. But after the last one I knew I'd reached the point of drastically diminished returns, where, no matter how high my interest in the subject runs, they all began to sound exactly the same. frown

Ironically, I wrote a "I went for a hike" book of my own back in 2005. I like to think it has little in common with these other books. For my model, I used Three Men in a Boat: To Say Nothing of the Dog, by Jerome K. Jerome.

Those who've read Jerome's book will understand this confession. Those who haven't can probably pick up a free electronic version somewhere, since it has been continuously in print since about 1890 and is no longer under copyright.

Those who are brave enough to want to read my book, well, I can probably manage to get them a PDF of it somehow or other.

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#171099 - 10/30/12 02:13 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: aimless]
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Three Men In a Boat --- fun book. I read it aloud to my daughters when they were young. If you're at all into Sci-Fi, try Connie Willis's book, To Say Nothing of the Dog.

I think that the writing style of Jerome K. Jerome is exactly the sort that doesn't do so well in a more modern, short attention span world. Folks back then wrote more description, the plot moves along at a slower and more relaxed pace. It's a cool model to follow IMO, but I think that authors today feel they have to provide more "punch".
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#171101 - 10/30/12 07:21 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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Lori. You have criticized my post twice. You call the author mentally ill. In perspective her mother died of cancer at an early age. Would that not affect you? Also it is apparent that I am the only one who does my best problem solving when hiking. Colin Fletcher has stated that he would go hiking to sort out details of stories he was writing. If I am odd in my problem solving while hiking then I am in good company with Mr. Fletcher. Backpacking and hiking is not the same for everyone as we are all different

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#171110 - 10/30/12 12:19 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: MGtraildog]
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I think Lori and I commented because your post (perhaps unintentionally) read like "from a woman's perspective" to be general instead of specific "from one woman's perspective". We just wanted to express that our perspective, as women backpackers, is NOT represented by that book (nor by Bryson's book). We are not "criticizing" your post - just expressing our views, wanting to make sure that we were not lumped into that catch-all catagory of "woman's perspective".

And you are right, some men also are at thier introspective best while backpacking. The introspective types may be better writers so the literature probably over-represents the more "touchy-feely-sensitive-introspective" backpackers. Like someone said, "my PCT hike" (which is what we "escapists" likely would write) probably would not sell many books.

As far as the author being mentally ill. Lori is a good judge of that since she is a professional in that field. I took her comments as feeling empathy for the author and realizing the unhappiness that the author has.

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#171114 - 10/30/12 01:49 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: MGtraildog]
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Lori. You have criticized my post twice.

As a moderator, this sort of reaction quickly catches my attention. However, having looked carefully at lori's two posts, I see she has quoted your post twice, but in terms of being directly critical of what you said, I do not see that. Wandering Daisy seems correct in her interpretation of this exchange.

Like so much of what ruffles feathers on an internet forum, this was probably yet another misunderstanding. As an ex-technical writer, I am keenly aware of how hard it is to write something so clear that it cannot possibly be misunderstood. In most of these cases the harmless and charitable explanantion of the other person's motives is the correct one. smile

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#171166 - 10/31/12 08:36 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: MGtraildog]
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Originally Posted By MGtraildog
Lori. You have criticized my post twice. You call the author mentally ill. In perspective her mother died of cancer at an early age. Would that not affect you? Also it is apparent that I am the only one who does my best problem solving when hiking. Colin Fletcher has stated that he would go hiking to sort out details of stories he was writing. If I am odd in my problem solving while hiking then I am in good company with Mr. Fletcher. Backpacking and hiking is not the same for everyone as we are all different


A book that creates controversy is a great book.

Lori often disagrees with me. I just consider she has a lot of different experiences and she often sees things from a different perspective. Disagreements are good, because those are the things I learn from.

I would agree that Cheryl was not a backpacker first. Backpacking was a means to work out her mental injuries. It sounds like she made a lot of progress on that. To me, this doesn't mean she wasn't a backpacker. She just wasn't stereotypical for a thru-hiker. But then, I don't think there is a stereotype.

When I hike alone, I often disappear into the nothingess in my mind, not paying attention to anything. After the hike, I couldn't tell you a thing about what I saw except what I saw inside. That's where the real hike was.

There are backpackers books come out of. Cheryl Strider, Bryson (I really wish Katz wrote a book), Bert Nemcik, Jennifer Pharr, etc. Often these books aren't even about backpacking. It's from the thinking that happens on the trail when life is simplified.

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#171312 - 11/02/12 04:15 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: wandering_daisy]
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WE is correct. Strayed gave such detailed info I can identify two separate diagnoses I would make, only one of which has to do with grief... I could of course be incorrect, but there's sufficient to make the case were I to be consulted on the matter. But I would want to meet her in person to make a full assessment, as even nonfiction can be, well, less than accurate...

People who backpack aren't always backpackers, either. Unless you want to call anyone who throws on a pack a backpacker, in which case there are a bunch of folks downtown engaging in such (they're usually called homeless here). Going walkabout for self improvement is more accurate for her adventure, imo.

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#171316 - 11/02/12 05:08 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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To clarify - the person presented in the book could be diagnosed. Cheryl - today, in person - may or may not be.

All mental health diagnoses are clusters of symptoms that are merely abnormal duration or severity of things common to all people. They are only diagnostic criteria if they occur to the degree that they are impairing.

If you are taking umbrage to the suggestion that she was diagnosable, that's understandable. There's still a lot of stigma involved with mental health issues. To me, it's an indicator that we're all human.
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#172008 - 11/16/12 11:55 AM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: lori]
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I am reading this book right now. What a slog! I mean, she is a good writer I'll give her that, but the self pity "woe is me" attitude is just so friggin' annoying. I just have a really hard time feeling any empathy for her what-so-ever. I really hope the actual "hiking" portions of this book start taking center stage, otherwise I'm afraid I might put it down.

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#172023 - 11/16/12 01:31 PM Re: Wild (Cheryl Strayed) [Re: greenmachine]
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I think you are in for a short read. wink
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