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#149643 - 04/27/11 12:05 PM Dogs and cacti
Howie Offline
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Loc: Canora, SK, Canada
I live in a semi-desert area and so we have a lot of cactus. Consequently my dog is frequently getting catus spines in his feet when we hike. I simply pull them out of course. He is only a couple of years old and so I wonder if he will learn to avoid them? After all, just how do the coyotes manage? Is it something to be concerned about such as a possible infection? I sure donít want to put boots on Rebel but maybe I should?

Howie

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#149646 - 04/27/11 01:30 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: Howie]
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Coyotes learn through experience and example from their elders. I get my dogs out in it ASAP in their youth. I am careful about how much and where because if they get covered, it could end up killing them. I have had a couple friends who have lost dogs that way and it is slow. It messes with their immune system. They HAVE to learn to not be crazy in field just because they are chasing a rabbit. My previous dogs and my gsp know to sit and wait for me to come over to pull the ball of spines (or just spines) out using a comb and tweezers. If a trail is covered with small spines, best to avoid it or the offending spot.

We were going out after quail in Arizona near Lake Roosevelt. Tica is 10 months old and it is the first time for her with shotguns so we are trying to take it easy on her. Within 2 min of getting out of the Jeep, she has a big Teddy bear cholla ball stuck to her front leg. She hasn't quite figured out to just wait yet so I run over and pop it off with the comb. She gives this thing a "look" then attacks it! I'm pulling spines out of her mouth for the next 30 min. Good news is that she has NEVER done that again. She is fine now and avoids the visible stuff even if it is dense.

You have a lot of cacti in Canada?


Edited by skcreidc (04/27/11 01:31 PM)

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#149647 - 04/27/11 01:59 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: skcreidc]
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I live on eight acres in the rural SE Arizona desert. We have prickly pear, four different cholla and saguaro on our place. The worst of all are the "teddy bear" and "jumping" cholla.

I have had four dogs since we moved here and I'll pretty much endorse what skcreidk said; dogs eventually learn to avoid the stuff. This appears to be more than can be said for some humans.

Dog breed does enter into the equation a bit. Our Malamutes both learned quickly to avoid the stuff. Our golden retriever took a bit longer to learn but she was young. Our West Highland terrier never seemed to really figure it out.

I always have a comb with me when I'm out with the dog (our golden is the only one now). She will generally stop and wait for me when she picks up a thorn cluster. She is less likely to try to bite one out of her paw now but still tries it on occasion. I have spent an hour trying to get the 1" long, barbed cholla spines out of her tongue, gums and the roof of her mouth. The spines soften after they have been in place for a while. Sometimes it's best to just wait for them to get a bit infected and they will slide out easily.

This is a problem that must be managed, you won't be able to solve it.
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#149648 - 04/27/11 02:16 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: Pika]
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My parents had a cocker spaniel when I was young. He never did learn! He's the only dog I ever heard of that had to have porcupine quills removed multiple times. He also never learned to stay away from horses' hooves. He'd get kicked, lie stunned in the ditch for a minute or two, then get up and run right back under the horses' hooves.

Fortunately, Hysson seems to have better sense. His one bout with a porcupine was with a dead one on the beach, so the quills didn't penetrate deeply and were easy to remove. He wasn't at all happy about the situation, though, so I hope he remembers the lesson if he meets a live one!
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#149654 - 04/27/11 03:57 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: skcreidc]
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[You have a lot of cacti in Canada? [/quote]

We have lots of cacti in BC but also even places in the prairie provinces such as Alberta and Saskatchewan. Here in Kamloops it is hot and dry during the summer. Rattlesnake country.

Howie

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#149659 - 04/27/11 05:01 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: Howie]
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So what kind Howie? Is it like cholla, or more like prickly pear?

PS, if your dog is so inclined, there is rattlesnake avoidance training. Its better than hooking an old hose up to a car battery.


Edited by skcreidc (04/27/11 05:03 PM)

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#149661 - 04/27/11 05:43 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: skcreidc]
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http://we-love-kamloops.blogspot.com/2010/10/xeriscape-desert-cactus-gardening.html

Apparently prickly pear.

As for rattlesnakes I have never seen one during the 33 years I have lived here, but they are supposed to be out there smile

There are actually three varieties of snake in this area.

Howie

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#149662 - 04/27/11 06:27 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: Howie]
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Well, that explains the Prickly Pear Jelly from Canada I was getting. I particularly like the ones with cherry and blood orange mixed in. Can't get it now frown.

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#149663 - 04/27/11 07:29 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: skcreidc]
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BC is the California of Canada. We even have some hippies. What is left of them anyway smile

I had never heard of that jelly though. Live and learn.

Howie

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#149684 - 04/28/11 12:05 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: Howie]
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I thought everyone in Canada was a hippie......Just Kidding.. smile

I don't know what kind of cactus I see the most here. It is very small and ball shaped. Anyways, the first two dogs I had ran into it the first time I took them on a walk in the desert. I used pliers to pull it out. I think they did it twice, but then never again. They figured it out. My malamute ran into it once or twice. Again, she learned fast. They all just limp back to me so that I can pull it out. We also have sticker weeds that get stuck in their pads. They do the same thing, limp back so I can pull it out.


Edited by finallyME (04/28/11 12:05 PM)
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#149687 - 04/28/11 12:48 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: finallyME]
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Dusting off my soapbox, I remind everyone that keeping your beloved trail buddies on leashes/leads are good for the dogs, the wildlife and other hikers.

And, it appears here, good for the plants as well. grin

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#149724 - 04/28/11 10:24 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: Howie]
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Thanks for your input folks. I picked up a pair of mini Leatherman plyers at Walmart today (knock offs). They should come in handy for pulling the thorns out.

Howie

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#150656 - 05/22/11 11:38 PM Re: Dogs and cacti [Re: Howie]
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Today I was able to answer my own question. I threw the ball for Rebel and he stopped short. He would not go in and get it. I wondered why and then I realized that there was a clump of cactus there. Smart dog. He learned really fast.

Howie

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