Winter Snow Sport Gear
Winter Hiking & Snowshoeing
Amazon.com
Backpacking Forums
BackcountryGear.com
backcountry gear

---- Our Gear Store ----
The Lightweight Gear Store
 
 ULTRA-LIGHT 

Ultralight Backpacks
Ultralight Bivy Sacks
Ultralight Shelters
Ultralight Tarps
Ultralight Tents
Ultralight Raingear
Ultralight Stoves & Cookware
Ultralight Down Sleeping Bags
Ultralight Synthetic Sleep Bags
Ultralight Apparel


the Titanium Page
WM Extremelite Sleeping Bags

 CAMPING & HIKING 

Backpacks
Tents
Sleeping Bags
Hydration
Kitchen
Accessories

 CLIMBING 

Ropes & Cordage
Protection & Hardware
Carabiners & Quickdraws
Climbing Packs & Bags
Big Wall
Rescue & Industrial

 MEN'S APPAREL 

Jackets
Shirts
Baselayer
Headwear
Gloves
Accessories

 WOMEN'S APPAREL 

Jackets
Shirts
Baselayer
Headwear
Gloves
Accessories

 FOOTWEAR 

Men's Footwear
Women's Footwear

 CLEARANCE 

Backpacks
Mens Apparel
Womens Apparel
Climbing
Footwear
Accessories

 BRANDS 

Black Diamond
Granite Gear
La Sportiva
Osprey
Smartwool

 WAYS TO SHOP 

Sale
Clearance
Top Brands
All Brands

 Backpacking Equipment 

Shelters
BackPacks
Sleeping Bags
Water Treatment
Kitchen
Hydration
Climbing


 Backcountry Gear Clearance


 WINTER CAMPING 

Shelters
Bivy Bags
Sleeping Bags
Sleeping Pads
Snow Sports
Winter Kitchen

 SNOWSPORTS 

Snowshoes
Avalanche Gear
Skins
Hats, Gloves, & Gaiters
Accessories

Stay Healthy--Eat Well

MARY JANES FARM ORGANIC MEALS

Mary Janes Farm Organic Backcountry Meals

NATURAL HIGH GOURMET MEALS

Natural High

 

Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#144152 - 12/30/10 01:15 PM winter pants
chimpac Offline
member

Registered: 04/06/09
Posts: 148
Loc: alberta,can.
What is preferred for insulated winter camping pants?
Bib pants,
full snowmobile suit,
waist belt pants.
Am I making a mistake to sleep in my day clothes including my parka and insulated pants?


Edited by chimpac (12/30/10 01:35 PM)

Top
#144153 - 12/30/10 01:43 PM Re: winter pants [Re: chimpac]
hikerduane Offline
member

Registered: 02/23/03
Posts: 2123
Loc: Meadow Valley, CA
Check out Winter Trekking when you get a chance. Some say, if you don't need all your clothes to sleep in, you brought too many. For sitting around camp in the Sierra/Cascades, I have been using some down liner pants. Full on down pants would be better for me, but when I bought them, that was all I wanted to spend. I know some like the bib pants, may come down to what you can afford.

Top
#144154 - 12/30/10 04:08 PM Re: winter pants [Re: chimpac]
Jimshaw Offline
member

Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 3938
Loc: Bend, Oregon
A thinner continuous layer will be the most efficient insulation, cool like a snowmobile suit, since all of the heat you produce has to pass out of it, you can more easily regulate how much heat you keep in it confused - does that make sense?, vs say a thick coat and little leg insulation. But - unless you have a thick and heavy, since snowmobile suits are made of cordura and stuff, snaowmobile suit, you will most likely be wearing a down coat over that and often a shell over that. Down bibs are the best thing since sliced bread. Mine are at least 20 years old - they're hanging here next to me and they show no wear. They're old $180 REI goretex shelled full zip down bibs and the way they keep a back warm is well - cool. smile The seams were "seam gripped" years ago. So actually a shelled down coat over a shelled pair of down bibs is the most efficient warm and adjustable winter outfit, which is why mountaineers dress that way. Waist length full on down pants are nice, but you want a long down jacket and maybe a sweater under to keep your back warm.
Jim smile
_________________________
These are my own opinions based on wisdom earned through many wrong decisions. Your mileage may vary.

Top
#144158 - 12/30/10 05:16 PM Re: winter pants [Re: Jimshaw]
OregonMouse Online   content
member

Registered: 02/03/06
Posts: 6369
Loc: Gateway to Columbia Gorge
The whole problem with separate pants and jacket is when you bend over and the two separate! Not really very funny when it's below freezing and that cold wind hits the small of your back!

There is a bit of a problem with one-piece suits for women, though--means exposing even more of our anatomy at certain times!
_________________________
May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view--E. Abbey

Top
#144170 - 12/31/10 12:17 AM Re: winter pants [Re: chimpac]
chimpac Offline
member

Registered: 04/06/09
Posts: 148
Loc: alberta,can.
In extreme cold I choose the waist belt pants with a good long close fiting parka. It is to big a chill to take off the parka to get the bib straps undone and sorted out when nature calls for #2. It is also nice to have two layers on my lower back for sitting by the stove.
I travel with a light woodburning cookstove/chimney (2 lbs). I do not try to heat up the uninsulated tarp shelter to room temperature. I therefore do not like taking all my clothes off to get in and out of the sleeping bag. So I use all the clothes I carry to stay warm when I sleep. No one has posted any dire consequences from sleeping in ones day clothes.
I am not really sold on the layering thing, it is easy to unzip the parka or flop the hood back. A hat under a hood bothers me and when I put the hood back I may get some free vitamin D from the sun on my bald head.


Edited by chimpac (12/31/10 12:29 AM)

Top
#144174 - 12/31/10 10:58 AM Re: winter pants [Re: chimpac]
hikerduane Offline
member

Registered: 02/23/03
Posts: 2123
Loc: Meadow Valley, CA
If you will check out Winter Trekking, you'll see what Canadians/Northern tier states of the US use/do.


Edited by hikerduane (12/31/10 10:58 AM)

Top
#144178 - 12/31/10 11:26 AM Re: winter pants [Re: hikerduane]
phat Offline
Moderator

Registered: 06/24/07
Posts: 4107
Loc: Alberta, Canada

Depends on "winter" and what I am doing.

if I am being active, I may use a nylon shell pant over fleece.

More usually I have two weights of wool pants, with suspenders. one is a lighter weight wool, more like a heavy jean made of wool, that works fine in warmer temps or as a top layer. For super cold I have a pair of thick green wool "codet" brand pants that I've had for a while (I think you can get them at Wholesale Sports in alberta chimpac)
These are alway "pants" but I wear them pretty high with suspenders in winter.

While I may wear a parka for short jaunts or just slow wandering, normally I am a layerer, because otherwise I just end up sweating.

The bottom I will usually have on a layer of synthetic long underwear and a pair of wool pants. the top I will again have a syntheic or merino top. then layers of wool sweaters and/or fleece. my usual outer layer is then a homemade cotton anorack made from a red cotton materiel about the weight of heavy jeans, but any amount of that may be put on or pulled off while I am active. I do often take a big poofy parka to lounge in at the end of the day, but almost never wear it while moving around.

_________________________
Any fool can be uncomfortable...
My 3 season gear list
Winter list.
Browse my pictures


Top
#144185 - 12/31/10 12:25 PM Re: winter pants [Re: hikerduane]
chimpac Offline
member

Registered: 04/06/09
Posts: 148
Loc: alberta,can.
Originally Posted By hikerduane
Check out Winter Trekking when you get a chance. Some say, if you don't need all your clothes to sleep in, you brought too many.

I like that line, I agree.
I am running the subject past them at winter trekking and checking what has been written.

Top
#144188 - 12/31/10 01:06 PM Re: winter pants [Re: chimpac]
hikerduane Offline
member

Registered: 02/23/03
Posts: 2123
Loc: Meadow Valley, CA
I have only made a few posts there. Pretty hardcore cold that they talk about. Seems mostly about being out with a canvas tent and pulling a pulk etc., but they mention old, low tech clothing.

Top
#144198 - 12/31/10 07:49 PM Re: winter pants [Re: hikerduane]
ChrisFol Offline
member

Registered: 07/23/09
Posts: 387
Loc: Denver, Colordo
Depends what I am doing in the winter. If I am just snowshoeing X amount of miles and then returning home or to a cabin then I may just wear a Capilene 1 baselayer under a regular pair of hiking or rain pants. For extended periods I will either bring my softshell pants or my Slalom bib pants.

These are all used in conjunction with either a Capilene 1 or 3 baselayer pant and if I am camping out, then my down pants are also used.

Top
#144203 - 12/31/10 09:05 PM Re: winter pants [Re: hikerduane]
TomD Offline
Moderator

Registered: 10/30/03
Posts: 4963
Loc: Marina del Rey,CA
Originally Posted By hikerduane
I have only made a few posts there. Pretty hardcore cold that they talk about. Seems mostly about being out with a canvas tent and pulling a pulk etc., but they mention old, low tech clothing.


I also belong to wintertrekking. I think Rick put a link up here a while back. I've read almost all of the articles on clothing and gear and looked at what the sponsors sell. The focus is on traditional materials because that is what works for them in those conditions, although some members have modern clothes such as parkas and base layers.

What is surprising to me is that under some conditions-dry and extremely cold-traditional materials like cotton for outer layers work better than modern materials and footwear like mukluks work just as well, if not better than modern boots.

It just shows that what you need depends on where you are, when you are out and what you are doing.
_________________________
Don't get me started, you know how I get.

Top
#144244 - 01/02/11 01:44 AM Re: winter pants [Re: TomD]
hikerduane Offline
member

Registered: 02/23/03
Posts: 2123
Loc: Meadow Valley, CA
You got me on to that place, I have only looked at one piece of old style gear so far that was being offered by a retailer thru their link, not cheap.

Top

Shout Box

Highest Quality Lightweight Down Sleeping Bags
 
Western Mountaineering Sleeping Bags
 
Lite Gear Talk - Featured Topics
what is the lightest framed backpack around 40L
by toddfw2003
10/16/17 07:23 PM
a worthy challenger to the msr pocket rocket2
by the-gr8t-waldo
10/16/17 01:28 PM
Lowa Renegade Hiking boots
by HikeVibes
10/11/17 08:21 PM
Backcountry Discussion - Featured Topics
Napa Fires
by balzaccom
10/11/17 07:43 PM
Backpacking the Ouachita Trail thanksgiving
by toddfw2003
10/05/17 11:54 PM
Rockfalll on El Capitan in Yosemite
by balzaccom
09/28/17 09:47 AM
Make Your Own Gear - Featured Topics
alcohol stove comparisons
by Bike_packer
10/03/17 08:56 PM
Can footprint plasticizer harm tent ground-sheet?
by Weston1000
09/10/17 02:24 AM
Featured Photos
Breakneck Ridge, New York
May 2012 Eclipse, Lassen Park
New Years Eve 2011
Trip Report with Photos
Seven Devils, Idaho
Oat Hill Mine Trail 2012
Dark Canyon - Utah
Who's Online
1 registered (), 27 Guests and 0 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Pasquale, Rahultravel, Tated, fester225, TwodoGz
12420 Registered Users
Forum Links
Disclaimer
Policies
Site Links
HOME
Backpacking.net
Family Hiking
Lightweight Gear Store
Backpacking Book Store
Lightweight Zone
Hiking Essentials

Outdoor Gear Daily Deals
Outlets, Sales, Bargains

Our long-time Sponsor, BackcountryGear.com - The leading source for ultralite/lightweight outdoor gear:

Backcountry Forum
 
 

Since 1996 - the Original Backcountry Forum
Copyright © The Lightweight Backpacker & BackcountryForum.com